Meghan Markle and Mariah Carey Talk Biracial Identity on ‘Archetypes’ Podcast


The two women discussed their biracial identities.

Carey told Meghan that she moved often as a young girl and felt caught between the black and white sides of the city.

“I didn’t fit in anywhere,” Carey said.

Meghan referenced an interview she read in which actress Halle Berry noted that because she was darker in color, she was treated as a black woman, not a biracial woman.

“And I think for us it’s very different because we’re fair-skinned,” Meghan said. “You’re not treated like a black woman. You’re not treated like a white woman. You kind of fall in between.”

Meghan told Carey that she only really started being treated as a black woman when she started dating Prince Harry.

“I always thought it was okay to say I was mixed,” Carey said. “Like it should be OK to say that. But people want you to choose.”

Meghan’s conversation with Carey is the second episode of her Spotify podcast, which debuted last week with an interview with Serena Williams. Next week’s episode will feature comedian and showrunner Mindy Kaling.
After its debut, “Archetypes” soared to No. 1 on Spotify’s podcast charts, beating out “The Joe Rogan Experience.” Its release comes two years after Spotify announced an exclusive deal with Archewell Audio, an early audio production company founded by Prince Harry and Meghan. In 2020, the two released a vacation podcast on Spotify, their first podcast under the deal.